tv CNN Newsroom With Pamela Brown CNN April 10, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
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effective. but we are still urging people to be cautious. >> matt gaetz adding two new york attorneys to his defense team. federal investigators are looking into gaetz's role into an alleged prostitution ring as part of a wider probe of the congressman and his associates. >> they lie about me because i tell the truth about them, and i'm not going to stop. the funeral, we now know will be next saturday. the public aren't invited. there won't be any crowds. that's really because of the pandemic. >> i'm pamela brown in washington. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world on this saturday. you are live in the cnn newsroom. and tonight, michigan is facing a crisis. it leads to nation in coronavirus infections with a positivity rate of 18%.
and now we are learning the federal government plans to help with this surge and new cases. a senior administration official telling me tonight that 160 fema vaccinators will head to michigan. that's people delivering the shots, but more vaccines, a surge of vaccines are on the way, even though that's what the governor has been asking for. >> the second we let our guard down, it comes roaring back. >> reporter: as covid-19 cases soar to alarming levels in michigan, a warning -- >> we are on track to see cases greater than the fall. >> reporter: the state's positivity rate is up to 18% and climbing. gretchen it what mer is asking high schools to clothe, youth sports to pause, and encouraging citizens to skip indoor dining. >> to be clear, these are not
orders, mandates. a year in, we all know who what works and this has to be a team effort. >> reporter: invitation nations in the state continue, but not fast enough. the governor is pleading for more vaccines from the federal government. as a disruption in the supply of johnson & johnson vaccines continues to take a toll across the u.s. >> we should be surging vaccines to states that are experiencing serious outbreaks. >> reporter: the coordinator of the white house coronavirus response says the federal government will offer additional personnel, but as of now, will not increase the number of vaccines. >> the virus is unpredictable. we don't know where the next increase in case could occur. we're not even halfway through our vaccination program, so now is not the time to change course. on vaccine allocation. >> reporter: this as the cdc is aware of four states that have reported some adverse reactions to the johnson & johnson vaccine.
several states even halting description of that vaccine. the cdc is not recommending health departments stop administering johnson & johnson shots at this time, and at least one county in north carolina plans on resuming doses as soon as monday. >> reporter: right now, the benefits outweigh the risks. >> reporter: what could be promising news -- phaser asking the fda for emergency use authorization of its covid-19 vaccine to expand to children ages 12 to 15 in the u.s. currently it's approved for people 16 and up only. >> i'm optimistic about this. we need them to get the benefit of the vaccine, but also it will help to reach herd immunity a lot faster. >> reporter: vaccine requirements are becoming part of the new normal. an analysis by cnn finds 16 colleges and universities and counting. the latest, duke university, will require students to show proof of full vaccination before returning to on-campus classes this fall. evan mcmorris-santoro, cnn, new
york. >> our thanks to evan for that report. joining a many now, primary care physician dr. matthew. . >> good evening, pamela. i'm a public health specialist . you want to surge vaccines and help where the vaccines are needed the most. listen, michigan is going through a fourth surge. we fourth surgery and we don't live in a bubble. what happens in michigan can happen in any part of the u.s. and i think it's important like the governor mentioned they not only get vaccinators but they got vaccines. another thing is there might be other states where there is potentially a surplus of vaccines, and that can be redirected temporarily to states like michigan until the surge is under better control. >> and i will say the administration official i spoke to tonight said michigan is getting hundreds of thousands
more weelks than they were get getting last month. michigan has the ability to reallocate those shots to those hot spots. what do you think about that? >> i think that is completely appropriate plan. you know, you got to be able to focus. if i was the public health specialist of michigan, i would look at the entire state, counties, and see where the surges are. it's really like a forest fire that is burning so greatly that you have to do something immediately. and again, these surges can spread so quickly, pamela, that not only are vaccinators needed, you have to be able to quickly take a vaccine or surplus of vaccines from one pharmacy and get it to another where patients are showing up. also, accessibility will be key. a lot of the public health strategies have to go into michigan to get this under control >> as you said, the big concern is that it could spread to other states, what you see in michigan
could happen anywhere else essentially as we've seen with past surges on the pandemic. dr. matthews, stay with me. i want to discuss this new development that we're learning about today. nearly 40% of u.s. marines are declining covid-19 vaccinations. this is according to data provided to cnn friday by the marine corps. joining our conversation is retired army lieutenant general mark hartling. thanks for coming on. the military doesn't require the vaccine right now because the fda has not given it the formal approval. only emergency authorization. why do you think so many marines are declining it? >> first, pamela, it's always challenging to get an army general to comment on the marine corps but i'll talk about it across the board in the military. there are a lot of reasons why military personnel don't want to get the vaccine. i talked to a bunch of commanders and they said primarily it's personal choice
based on an individual's medical history, military personnel's medical history, unease with the vaccine's approval process, african-american soldiers with anxiety based on knowing the history of the tuskegee experiment and wariness about the medical establishment, just wanting to wait and see how others react to the vaccine is a primary reason. and then reading or listening to those who are prone to misinformation and disinformation about the efficacy of the vaccine or the seriousness of the virus. all those things relate to the same thing we're seeing in the private sector, but what i'd add is there's one more, and that's that military personnel may be saying, hey, they can't order me to do this, so i want to rebel against the authority. now, that's going to be a few members of the military, but they're out there. there are some of them. even with all that, the dec
declining rate says as much about our society as it says about the military. >> what do you think about that, dr. matthew? is what we see in the military a microcosm of what we see in the country at large? >> yeah, i agree with the general. listen, i see about 20 patients a day as a primary care physician, and i make it a point with every patient to address the elephant in the room. the physician also needs to be comfortable talking to the patient if the patient doesn't bring up the vaccine. i ask every patient, listen, are you planning on getting the vaccine, and i get two concerns every single time. the first one is, this vaccine was developed at lightning speed and i'm concerned about what this is going to do to my body long term. and i address those concerns immediately because just for our viewers to remember, the mrna platform for moderna and pfizer, pamela, they have been studied
for the last 30 to 40 years. this vaccine is safe and effective, and now with the variants spreading, the u.k. variant, which is contagious and more deadly, all the more reason that we need to address vaccine hesitancy. >> so what do you think should be done, general? you say absolutely. how can you get more members of the military to trust the process or trust the vaccine to not be hesitant? >> what i want to address, though, pamela, is the popular belief that the generals can just order troops to get the shots. that's just not the case. right now everyone that's been in the military will say i remember lining up for the anthrax vaccination. this is approved under emergency use authorization. lots of soldiers don't want to take the anthrax vaccine during desert storm, but they could be
ordered to take it. it will take a presidential order to make the vaccines mandatory. that's what makes this different than any other shot that military members get. >> i think that's a really important point to reiterate. dr. matthew, is this level of denial something that could harm military preparedness? what could it mean practically? >> right. remember, ultimately there's only one enemy and that's the virus. the most important thing is to share science. let people know what the percentages mean, what 95% means. and i tell everybody, listen, you want the vaccine to do two things. number one, you want the vaccine to prevent you from developing severe disease and from being hospitalized and dying. all three vaccines, the j&j, moderna, and pfizer do both. you might get a breakthrough infection when you're fully vaccinated. you might still test positive, but listen f my covid infection is downgraded to a cold, i would be completely okay with that. i just don't want to go to the
hospital and i don't want to die. regarding the military, pamela, they should be focusing on the task at hand. if they're constantly being covid is to other people, they're in close quarters, the marines are, they are a high-risk population and we need to find a way to answer their questions. a lot of times they're scared. they just want their questions answered. >> all right. dr. matthew and lieutenant general mark hartling, that you can't for indulging on the marines for us. thank you, gentlemen. we appreciate it. i appreciate you spending part of your saturday night with us to educate our viewers. we do appreciate it. make sure that you join our own dr. sanjay gupta on a journey to learn why some people are afraid of vaccines. the new cnn special report "the truth about vaccines" airs at the top of the hour. should business leaders stay quiet when it comes to political issues? minority leader mitch mcconnell says they should. i'm going to ask the ceo of
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arriving here at the white house this afternoon. this climate meeting comes as the president is preparing to host a virtual summit on climate later this month with world leaders, initially inviting leaders from around 40 countries, though that list is still having finalized, but russia and china were included on that list of invitees for their climate summit. on top of the meetings that the president is having here at the white house today, his immediate focus heading into next week will be infrastructure as he will soon start hosting those lawmakers here at the white house to talk about his massive $2.25 trillion infrastructure and jobs proposal. on monday there will be a bipartisan group of lawmakers here at the white house with the president to talk about those issues. the white house has not yet released a list of who will be attending. but what will be watched very closely in the coming weeks is where the president is willing
to negotiate in this package. you have heard republicans who've been swift and fierce in their opposition to the fact that it would raise taxes on corporations. the biden administration has said that that is a way that they would be paying for this proposal. but they've also signaled that there is room for compromise there, but that they went republicans and others who might be opposed to the measure to present some possible alternatives to thousand pay for it. the president also needs to make sure he can keep his democrats in line with this bill. you heard senator joe manchin say that the corporate tax rate shouldn't go up to 28%. he'd like to see something else. so these are all elements of the negotiations we'll see play out with this massive bill in the coming months. pamela? >> it's going to be busy in washington come monday. that's for sure. arlette saenz live from the white house, thank you so much. one biden official said the negotiations will, quote, take some time. well, it's now sometime later and i'll be following up with her on where the president
stands. tune in tomorrow, sunday, at 6:00 p.m. eastern for my conversation with white house principle deputy press secretary, karine jean-pierre. this week amazon ceo jeff bezos came out in favor of the infrastructure plan saying the company is, quote, supportive of a rise in the corporate tax rate. but yesterday on cnn, a different ceo stopped short of celebrating the promoted hike. -- the proposed hike. >> i wouldn't go so far as to say we support a 28% tax hike at this point. i think 28% pushes a threshold that a lot of businesses are going to find very difficult to swallow. >> this comes as republicans like senate minority leader mitch mcconnell warned corporations to stay out of policy debates. a stance mcconnell later walked back. >> i didn't say that very artfully yesterday. they certainly are entitled to be involved in politics, they are. >> it's worth noting of course
many corporations donate to different politicians. so joining me now is crossfit ceo eric roza to discuss this. eric, nice to have you on the show. >> thanks for having me, pamela. >> so the first question out of the gate, does crossfit support an increase to a 28% corporate tax rate to help pay for biden's infrastructure plan? >> well, we certainly don't have a position right now on the tax increase, but i can tell you we absolutely support the infrastructure bill and there needs to be a way to pay for it. >> i just want to ask a little bit more because you don't want to take a certain position. but the reality is the white house says that corporations need to fork over more in taxes. corporations have a 35% tax rate since 1993. the economy boomed under clinton. trump boasted about the economy and stock market even before he slashed that to 21%. many companies avoid paying the full rate anyway.
can you say anything in terms of why would raising it be a burden? >> well, i can speak as crossfit's leader that we would be willing to pay higher taxes to fund a strong infrastructure plan. >> and do you know how much higher you would be willing to go? >> don't have a -- don't know that yet. i can't give you a position on that yet. it's really -- you know, there's a dependency on what's going to come out of this. what's important to me is when we talk about infrastructure, it's more than roads and bridges, right? we're really focused as crossfit is what we think of the infrastructure for health and fitness in the u.s. and it's been decimated by the pandemic. we had 25% of independent gyms shut down over the past year. >> i want to talk about that. i understand you want the biden administration to include relief for the fitness industry in the infrastructure bill. so if you would just expand on what you were saying, make the case that that should count as
infrastructure, that the fitness businesses should be included in the infrastructure bill. >> absolutely. yes, we've introduced the gyms act into congress, and we have over 80 supporters at this point and it's growing pretty rapidly each week. the view is essentially that gyms are essential to keeping people healthy. what we've learned through the pandemic are a lot of things. one is we saw the people who were most at risk for the pandemic were folks with obesity and other chronic diseases. we saw that the pandemic decimated people's health so that people gained weight during the pandemic and they came out with mental health issues. all of these things are kind of what we're in the business of doing, those of us who are in the gym and fitness business are in the business of making people happier and healthier, and unfortunately because gyms were one of the first areas to be shut down in all the local
shutdowns, without really any evidence that there's been spreading in gyms, there's been a disproportionate burden placed on them, which is why, again, a quarter of the gyms are out of business already and it could go up to a third if we don't act quickly. >> you and contend that essentially gyms and fitness businesses should be treated and be given funding the same way that restaurants and live venue events have been treated by the government in terms of more funding, right? >> absolutely. i'm a big fan of restaurants and live events like everyone, but i think gyms are even more essential to people's health and happiness. we're all coming out of the pandemic in a really tough situation. when we look at the economic impact, it's devastating what's happened in this industry. >> i want to ask you before we let you go, you have crossfit gyms in several states where they have attempted to pass controversial laws that would impose more restrictions on voting. some corporations like american
airlines and coca-cola have denounced these moves. does crossfit have a response to these laws? >> i'll tell you that crossfit has not engaged in policy issues, but i'll speak for myself personally and i'll say i strongly oppose any attempt to restrict americans' rights to vote. >> do you expect crossfit to take a more public stance like these other corporations in states like texas and georgia where we've seen coca-cola and delta and american airlines speak out? what more could we see from crossfit? >> we are -- we are -- we have over 6,000 independent gym operators in the u.s. who operate under the crossfit banner. and so we're -- as you can imagine, there's a wide diversity of viewpoints. we're in the process of listening and talking to people. again, crossfit has never taken a policy position outside of the areas of health and fitness, so i can't tell you whether we'll do that here, but i wanted to speak for myself personally.
right now our focus is this gyms act. it's critical we get gyms back online to help protect americans going forward. >> okay. crossfit ceo eric roza, thank you very much for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me, pamela. despite being under investigation for alleged sex trafficking, florida congressman matt gaetz is fighting back as the scandal deepens. details on that up next. the visionary lexus nx. lease the 2021 nx 300 for $349 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. ♪ (car horn) ♪
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the allegations. now the house ethics committee is launching a probe into many of the allegations against him. gaetz denies any wrongdoing. but despite the accusations, gaetz found a supportive crowd at a conservative women's summit held at a florida trump resort last night. with me now, cnn political commentator and former republican senator from arizona, jeff flake. thank you, senator, for joining us to talk about this. so we've got the first republican in congress calling for representative gaetz to resign. his colleague, adam kinzinger, as you see in this tweet. but that was nearly 48 hours ago. why haven't more republicans joined in those calls? are you surprised? >> no, not surprised. i mean, you usually wait until some charges are filed or there's an indictment or something happens. but you don't see a ground swell of support on the other side either. so he hasn't made too many friends in congress, so he's
going to have a rough go when it comes down to an indictment or some charges coming down. then he'll face a lot of calls to resign. >> you're right, he hasn't had a lot of outspoken support from fellow republicans except for jim jordan, taylor greene, who were down there in florida. you served six terms in the house before moving to the senate. this house ethics committee statement rattles off a detailed list of allegations it will exp explore. should the congressman be worried about the ethics probe? >> if he wants to keep serving, but this is the least of his worries right now given the charges and what's out there, his main concern is probably staying out of jail. so the ethics committee's jurisdiction ends when somebody resigns or is forced out of
congress. so that i would think is the least of his concerns, although it was rather telling the length of the statement and what they said that they were looking into. it's pretty significant. >> it is. as we know, he has said he will not resign and is now fundraising off the doj investigation. he is all in on the trump playbook of blaming the swamp, the deep state, even though the case started on bill barr's watch, the former attorney general under trump, we saw him at trump's golf resort headline ing a women for america first event, of all events. when you see him using the precise and false tactics used donald trump used, should more republicans be calling him out, if only to protect themselves? >> oh, sure. if it didn't work for donald trump, it's certainly not going to work for matt gaetz. it's kind of a tired playbook. they're not going to going after you because i'm standing in the breach. i'm doing this for you.
i think most people just kind of chuckle at that. that's not very effective, frankly. >> but do you think they do? do you think that -- i mean, that was what donald trump did. he still remains so popular in the republican party. i know that is something that you think will not last, but donald trump's playbook is blame everything on the media and the deep state, that he did nothing wrong and now we see that from gaetz. do you not think that is effective? >> no, not really. it's certainly not going to stave off the justice department or the ethics committee or others. they're going to look at the facts and the investigation. you know, i would expect him to do the same. that's what a lot of the trump a acolytes are doing, it's just not very effective. if you look how effective it was for donald trump, we lost the house and the senate, we lost the white house, we lost over the last several years more than
400 seats in legislative -- sorry, state legislatures nationwide. so it's not been a good formula for electoral success, certainly. >> why does he have so much power still in the republican party? >> because of the primary. he's still -- you got to, you know, bend the knee basically in a republican primary. that explains the predicament that republicans are in. you really can't win a republican primary, certainly not here in arizona and many other so-called purple states unless you're willing to accept the leadership of donald trump. and not criticize it. but if you do that, it puts you out of step with the general electorate. that's in general the problem that republicans have. we have a diminishing base and until we realize that and look for ways to be more inclusive, we're going to continue to lose
ground nationwide. >> before we go, you and i spoke earlier this year about your discussions with the biden white house about a possible ambassadorship. you said that there were no specific talks at that point. where do things stand now? >> i've continued to say that i would like to see some of the biden administration's foreign policy be bipartisan. i believe it can be. and so i stand ready to help if i can in that regard. but that's the extend of the discussions. >> are those discussions still taking place? >> there are still discussions, yes. >> okay. we shall see. i imagine if something does happen, you will let us know on the show. jeff flake, thank you very much. >> thanks, pamela. myanmar's bloody coup left at least 570 people dead since the military seized control of the government two months ago.
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a cnn team's recent trip to myanmar found the country exploding with anguish over the brutality over it's illegitimate leaders. the conflict started may 1st where there was a coup overturning a democratic election and detaining government officials. security forces have launched a coordinated crackdown against unarmed and peaceful protesters. internet and communication within the country have been cut and local journalists and activists have risked everything to show the world what's really going on, signaling residence to our own cnn crew, even though their every move was being watched. joining me is the first u.s.
ambassador to myanmar in more than 22 years, derrick mitchell. ambassador, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, pamela. >> when you were sent to myanmar back in 2012, then-president obama praised and supported the country's pivot to democracy. what changed? how is myanmar now in the place it's in? >> well, in those days we saw -- we had hope. we saw a government that was qua. >> i -- they opened up to the opposition party, the national league for democracy and aung san suu kyi. they opened up the internet and opened up the economy, they established a peace process. they were really on a path that we wanted to support. but since then, i mean, just as you say, recently the military got frustrated, maybe they felt humiliated, maybe they felt it wasn't working the way they wanted it to. they wanted a controlled democracy and they may have felt
it was getting out of control, so on the eve of the second term for aung san suu kyi's government, they effected a coup and are trying to reverse all the gains we've seen over the past ten years. >> our own clarissa ward spoke to people who risked jail. >> we don't want to go back to the dark age. we lost our voice and we had democracy only for ten years. we don't have weapons. we don't have guns. >> they shoot the children. >> some of the people she talked to were later arrested and as that woman, that brave woman speaking to her said, children have been killed. we heard horrific stories inside there from indiscriminate killings to bombing their own citizens. why isn't there more being done to stop this? what more can the international community realistically do at
this point? >> that's a really good question. let me say, first, it'll clarissa ward's reporting was outstanding. kudos to cnn for doing a great job on the spot to show what is happening there despite the military's desire to get its propaganda out. this is a conundrum. the u.s. government is doing all it can, first of all, through targeted sanctions on the military and their families, their money, on their businesses. there's only certain amount of leverage that we have alone. this really comes down to the neighbors, to those in asia, in particular to asean, the grouping of southeast asian nations, to india, to japan, and, of course, to china. they have been in the asian way of working quietly, discreetly, but there's not enough boldness and assertiveness and a coordinated joint action to look at what's happening, which is
not just the regression of democracy and the humanitarian disaster, but the prospect of a failed state in the heart of a dynamic region of asia. and they really need to step up and get beyond their traditional instinctive kind of low-key ways and really reassert their power and find their voice. >> i mean, if this doesn't have urgency, all the children being killed, innocent people being killed for trying to speak up and fight for democracy, if that doesn't spark a sense of urgency among the surrounding countries, what will? what more would it take? >> it's hard to say what more it will take, but if we see refugee flows, large flows across borders that affect the security, which it will eventually, of thailand or china or india, just the accumulation of a failed state, perhaps that will. but i think it takes a lot more stress on them. there needs to be much more
pressure put on those key states. if not asean as a group, because within asean you have many nondemocratic countries. then other countries like indonesia whose tried to step up and exercise leadership, malaysia, singapore, where banks are, or the military puts their money and they have hospitals to which their families go. they can squeeze much more access of the military, their families, their money, and the things they really care about, their prestige, the reputation. they can squeeze that more to get the military to pull back from the brink because otherwise these guys with guns are going to continue on. >> former leader aung san suu kyi was once a darling in the west, seen as pro-democracy, but in recent years she turned more -- she turned differently. she turned to china. china has given thinly veiled support for the military behind the coup. how does that complicate the
resolution to the present crisis? do you think that the u.s. viewed her too generously when you were part of the administration? >> aung san suu kyi, people's reassessment of her publicly for the last 75 years or so. i don't think we had any illusions. i knew her pretty well. i met her. there are parts of her that were clearly oriented towards humanitarians and democracy, but there are other parts that i saw i was concerned about. she very much was desired control of the party and her country. aside from her, she represents the democratic hopes of the people. her party has over and over voted in to represent them for better or worse. there are people in the country who are not entirely confident about her, but she represents a singular leader. so we supported her because she represented the democracy of the country. it wasn't simply at her, number one. now, by the way, we're looking past that and people are not
even talking necessarily about her so much but more about the movement of the people in the streets. the second thing about china, they are interested primarily on their own narrow interests. they have economic interests, they consider myanmar part of their sphere of influence in the region. they don't want the west there. they don't want to have the united states around. they would like to have a privileged position and they want to have access to the indian ocean through road and rail and oil and gas pipelines that run through myanmar into western china. they want access to the indian ocean. so all of this is what drives china. they're very practical. i think they're trying to play both sides on this. there's a rumor they've been talking to the opposition, the they're going to watch and wait. we need to get them as well to step up and not look at myanmar as a strategic competition, but as a place that we all have an interest to see it get stable and get developed in the coming
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dech. well, prince philip, the duke of edinborough was known to be a no fuss kind of man and his funeral will reflect that. arrangements are scaled down due to covid. max joins us. max, what do you know about the funeral and who will be there? >> it's all going to be contained in the castle. morning u.s. time. east coast time, 10:00 a.m. 34
the morning. under current uk restrictions you can only have 30 guests at the wedding. boris johnson said he's giving up his place so more family members can go we get a full lest of the people attending the funeral on thursday, but we know that prince harry will make his way over. he'll have five days of kwaurn teen minimum. the duchess isn't coming, the doctor advised her, because she's pregnant. there will be a procession and then there will be this service that lasts about an hour. we'll see the tween queen for the first time as a widow. they were a very rjsz couple and the queen will be looking at this moment as a send-off for
prince philip who was her aide and closest confidante. people are being skurmgd from coming here to try to get involved, but to watch it on tv. >> right and do you expect we'll see the queen wearing a mask due to the code precautions they're taking? >> we have asked that question. what they're saying is it will be in line with all current restrictions. so the suggestion was they would be wearing masks, all of the guests. there are lots of complications here about the number of people allowed in the church, the clergy, the tv cameras and the crews. we'll get details on thursday. >> all right, max foster, thank you very much. thank you for joining me this evening. i'm pamela brown. see you tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. it sure is. (mom vo) over the years, we trusted it to carry and protect the things that were most important to us. (mom) good boy. (mom vo) we always knew we had a lot of life ahead of us.
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